II bayonets from 19421944. by gruff27 22 Mar 2012, 20:09, Post Enfield Rifle For Sale. These were the last No. The M47C is typical, as is the date and TR mark. startxref The front curved shape of the cheek piece was prone to splitting so finger inserts and repairs are often seen hear to keep the rifle working. This Mk. This "last-ditch" SMLE was manufactured in 1943, and it has all the signs of a wartime firearm made in the throws of desperation. In September 1945, nomenclature was changed to replace Roman numerals with Arabic numerals. Although troops often resorted to more expedient means of modifying frogs to retain No. However, this has not been substantiated. The following illustrates the four bayonet and scabbard types that were mass produced; and some unusual variants that I have acquired. 4 Mk. Westland of Croyden - an alternative to their "C.E.W. The Belgian Army transitioned to the FN Model 1949 rifle beginning in 1951. The rifle Savage produced was the Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.1*, a British military design that was adopted by the U.K. just a few years before World War II began. All matching numbers. $40.59. This mark sometimes appears alone and sometimes with another forging contractors mark, which suggests that Tinsley supplied steel to several of the socket forging contractors. The beechwood furniture is smooth, bright and unblemished. Little is known of their manufacture and use. 4 rifles and bayonets after Belgium was liberated in September 1944. An example would be: rifle serial number 52C2689 would be the 522,689th rifle produced by Savage Stevens. Lee Enfield #4 MK1 - MARSTAR CANADA. Over the years I have received many emails regarding serial numbers. Anyone got a pic of that area on a Long Branch? (120mm.) It has been observed that only on No4T rifles, there can be found an "X" mark on the upper left flat on top of the left fore end that holds the receiver wall. The scabbard is a Mk. The real loop is similarly for adjusting tautness from the biceps to the butt sling of the rifle when in the firing shoulder "pocket". Other Nations Service and Replacement - Differing Nations have taken equipment from Great Britain and her colonies over the decades for frontline, secondary and domestic / internal service - Such as Italy and Holland immediately after WW2 - Israel and South Africa in the 1950s and 1960s India and Pakistan have kept their Lee Enfield's up and in reserve until a few years ago. Unissued Savage Enfield No 4 Mk1 Rifle , 303 British. An example of a viewer's mark "75TZ" is pictured at left. 1 Mk. On the opposite side of the RFI 1963 stamp,is there a serial number? Top to bottom an . 4Mk. The demand of new ENFIELD 303 NO 4 MK I rifle's has risen 8 units over the past 12 months. The No. xref by Saxon Cross 22 Mar 2012, 21:45, Post This condition remained until the end of the No4T life and the introduction of its replacement - the L42. These included a number of folding bayonets intended to remain fixed to the rifle. 4 spike bayonet. Approved in November 1939, along with the Lee-Enfield No. 0000002950 00000 n II bayonet re-packaged in 1963 cardboard carton. Ltd. (pictured at left) Socket: "No. 4 Mk. I know it was made in north America I'm just wondering if it's the US or Canada. 0000002083 00000 n by Saxon Cross 23 Mar 2012, 13:50, Post This example was made in the USA by the Savage Stevens Co. of Chicopee Falls, Massachusetts. The following makers' codes are noted on some bayonet blades and scabbards, it is quite possible that they may also appear on firearms and related components. 0000013021 00000 n I rifle, the No. Baird Engineering Company of Belfast, Northern Ireland, produced approximately 101,103 bayonets from 19421944. Although touted as having many advantages over the Pattern 1907, the No. The swivel was to be "low turret" in design so that the sling body would be stopped by the existing magazine loop - this allowed the sling to be "locked" in a diagonal exit path off the fore end at an ideal angle to wrap the bicep and provide sling position options for better steadying in all positions. by Saxon Cross 22 Mar 2012, 21:33, Post 4 Mk. Most of these seem to have been released / imported in the 1980s. Longbranch No. Due to similarities with Indian Government acceptance marks, this was once thought to possibly indicate Indian service. 0000002206 00000 n Henry Repeating Arms recently presented a $25,000 check a nonprofit organization that provides support and programs for the families and co-workers of firefighters killed in the line of duty. However, the Rijkswacht (Gendarmerie) used the No. The used value of an ENFIELD 303 NO 4 MK I rifle has fallen ($61.94) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $563.89 . 4 Rifle," appeared originally in the April 2004 issue of American Rifleman. Specs: Savage Enfield No.4 MK1* Barrel Length: 25" Overall Length: 44.5" Caliber: .303 British Weight: 9lbs Capacity: 10 rounds Price: $600 to $1200 Ratings (out of five stars): Reliability: * * * * * It wasn't made by the French. An additional 1944 Wrist / Action stamping group - an excellent condition example. It was published in 2007, available now from Aust., N.Z., US and UK distributors. It has a tapered steel body with a ball finial. #6. No4 rifles were given a starting number that may be used to identify manufacturers, but again there was no set serial blocks. Seen in the picture above are the normal spots to find the serial number and manufacturers information on the No4 and the No5 rifle. Because of its great simplicity, the government was able to let contracts to firms not previously associated with arms production. 1944 Enfield No.4 Mk1*(T) Long Branch TP Sniper Rifle Serial # 74L0318 (Converted by Long Branch Arsenal, Ontario, Canada) c/w matching Telescopic, Sighting C No.32, Mk.I(TP) (Trade Pattern) Scope Serial # 4392S (Mfg by Lyman-Alaskan) . The Canadian Arsenals trademark was adopted in 1947 and replaced the Long Branch trademark used during the Second World War. Prince-Smith used four different markings: Howard & Bullough Co. of Accrington, Lancashire, was one of the smaller makers of the No. No. Qty 1 C-71-111-000/MX-000 will be used for parts procurement. !o, I am hoping to get some help confirming or disproving my theory about this 1963 Indian furbished Lee Enfield No4 Mk1* I bought a few days ago. The British MoD was running short of scope brackets and cheek pieces as it started the L42 service extension program so new surplus examples are rare on the ground. History, development, service, specifications, pictures and 3D model. Buy Lee Enfield spike bayonet with scabbard No3 Mk1 No4 Mk2: GunBroker is the largest seller of Bayonets Knives & Swords All: 972734854 . They are tight barrels. I Mk. Mine is a 1943. This example bears the Canadian Government acceptance mark, indicating use by Canadian Forces. The Lee-Enfield No. Nearly 5 million spike bayonets were reported produced. RV# 11322, Socket: "No 4 Mk II" over a superimposed "LB". What this page will attempt to provide is a basic overview of the serial system and where to find them along with the manufacture markings and barrel date stamp that is common on most Enfields. Our Price: 195.00: Gunner Points: 19: Stock Info: Out Of Stock: CR322 LE4 Sling swivel. The rifle functions beautifully, I'm just trying to track things down as much as I can. Your serial No. Along with parts replacement and service programs. The "circle-PSK" marking is somewhat of a mystery and is seldom encountered. Production occurred during the latter half of 1941 and into the early months of 1942. The Lee Enfield by Ian Skennerton (2007) - ISBN: 9780949749826 . What is the letter to the right of the 'X' (proof mark) above the M.1944? Qty 1 F Sep 1986 A few were parkerized at the Long Branch factory later in the war, but these examples are few and far between. During the war, the No. 4 spike bayonet was the result of a 20 year series of studies, experiments, and troop trials seeking to find a lighter, handier substitute for the venerable Pattern 1907 bayonet. The No. UKSkennerton's Arms and Militaria Press. I've been privileged to shoot Lee-Enfield rifles before and have always found them to be worthy of their reputation as well built, accurate rifles. So it figures that the right S51 is almost always from Hollands and there are less of them due to service attrition than there are real No4Ts that can evidence them. No idea what it means on a No.4. ROF (F)- Royal Ordinance Factory, Fazakerley, UK, FY- Royal Ordinance Factory,Fazakerley, UK, (F)-Royal Ordinance Factory,Fazakerley, UK, UF-Royal Ordinance Factory,Fazakerley, UK, Long Branch- Small Arms Ltd., Long Branch, Ontario, Canada, P.O.F.- Pakistan Ordnance Factory, Wah, Pakistan. The entrenching tool was made by William Hunt & Sons, The Brades Ltd., Brades Steel Works, Oldbury, near Birmingham. Here is a simple shadow board depicting the 4 most common Enfields. About the rifles. 0000012831 00000 n The first photo below is of a Hollands installed cheek piece on a 1944 scopeless rifle - its position, form and fit is per the as-new standard. Here we have a scopeless and virtually unfired 1944 No4T on the left and two heavily reworked "sportster" T's (the middle professionally done by Sante Fe) and an American surplus "bubba" on the right. Socket: "No 4 Mk II" over "S" and "B 75" over "1455". They did not add the serial number of the rifle to the second butt stock edge, nor the S51 mark to the wrist - this Hollands work is not recognized as required for continued service in those parts. 150.00. 1 rifle), but changes were made to the. The British Army had adopted the Rifle, No. My Long Branch No4 Mk1* has the "angled Transition". Canadian Arsenals trademark was adopted in 1947, Spirit of the Pike - British Socket Bayonets of the 20th Century, British No. Truth be known about Enfield serial numbers is simply, the serial number was used more for production counting than any other reason. P.S.K. Maryland Shooters is the most active and largest Maryland gun community online. 1* imported by Century International Arms. endstream endobj 770 0 obj<> endobj 771 0 obj<> endobj 773 0 obj<>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text]/ExtGState<>>>>> endobj 774 0 obj[775 0 R 776 0 R] endobj 775 0 obj<> endobj 776 0 obj<> endobj 777 0 obj<> endobj 778 0 obj<> endobj 779 0 obj<> endobj 780 0 obj/DeviceGray endobj 781 0 obj<> endobj 782 0 obj<>stream "S" inside a square. by verdenpark 23 Mar 2012, 07:54, Post by Steve Hoog 23 Mar 2012, 13:42, Post " gh" over "1 9 h". 0000001613 00000 n 0000001927 00000 n Date Packed: 7/8/57 II*, all in the UK: Prince-Smith & Stells, Howard & Bullough, Lewisham Engineering, and the Baird Manufacturing Co. 1.4million No. What makes this particular Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.2 an 'obscure' object of desire: it's in abso-fricking-lutely 100% condition. This example was reworked post-War following the change from Roman to Arabic numbering. Many, but not all, maker and subcontractor marks are illustrated. The rifle's two-piece stock and 10-round magazine are two of its most distinctive features. Guns, Parts and Accessories Quick Shopper, WTS/WTB/WTT (Want to Sell, Buy or Trade) Forum, Appraisals, Fakery, Dispute Resolution & Mediation Forum. 0000001961 00000 n It has been observed that only on No4T rifles, there can be found an "X" mark on the upper left flat on top of the left fore end that holds the receiver wall. This is my first personal Enfield and second in my family. British Lee-Enfield No4 Mk2 knife bayonet, scabbard and frog Dated 1949 P (RSAF Poole) 95.00. . Seen in the picture above are the places where the serial number and manufacturer can be found. The new model became the Magazine, Lee Enfield Mk1 or MLE Mk1 in 1895. The wood shop feeding Longbranch in Canada did yield some orignal NOS Canadian Destined cheek pieces in the last decade. . S51 was already the war time production code for Holland and Holland - there were to make components under this code as well as convert No4 rifles tot he new T specification beginning in early 1942. The No. Accuracy: * * * * * 769 0 obj<> endobj 4 bayonets. 4 MK. Had a look at Skennerton, and did not find much. I like using the triangular sling swivel to deliberately tighten the sling around my hand to grip the fore-end when using a shooting glove, Lee Enfield books by Ian Skennerton - Ideal reference information, Genuine Lee Enfield No4 Mk1 T Parts, Features, Marks and Accessories, Here we have a scopeless and virtually unfired 1945 No4T on the left and an "active service" No4T on the right that had its last service with India, other than the metal being painted with lumpy glossy black paint it is predominantly unchanged, On the left, the scopeless one exhibits all marks as freehand stamps through the blackened surface. 1 Mk. The box label indicates that these were packed November 1963, at the 5th Storage Depot. I have a couple of No.4 Mk.I's, and they do not have anything like the makings shown. This one was no different. Barrel is 24 inch, five groove 1:10 right hand rifling. Sheffield Steel Products produced approximately 670,000 Mk. The Parker HAle PH215 series triangular sling swivel is "High Tower" and will have the triangle clear the trigger housing loop to spin 360 degrees - these are also typically bright blued or blacked. [QUOTE=Twodogs]My Long Branch No4 Mk1* has the "angled Transition". The Sante Fe in the center was completely polished and blued by them to make a premium scoped sporter - they removed the original serial from the wrist and added their own by stamping through the bluing (original barrel serial is still present) this rifle may have picked up the fabricated safety spring at Santa Fe. Little is known about these British No. Howard & Bullough converted from the manufacture of cotton spinning machines to the production of shells, gun carriages, mine sinkers, aircraft components, and bayonets. I read that BO would indicate early 1944. 4Mk. Post You're probably going to have to "infer" its origins from things like proof marks. AA5081 is the stores catalogue number. The Lee Enfield No 4 Rifle Mk 1 was produced by a variety of different manufacturers in England. Sujet: Re: Lee Enfield No4 Mk1 vs Armes modernes en .308 Aujourd'hui 20:28: Pour en possder une, j'ai une tikka T3x tac en 308 , et 600m ft un temps les rsultats taient prometteurs . 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